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Crazy torque numbers what's going on out there in this industry.Crazy torque numbers what's going on out there in this industry.
Crazy torque numbers what's going on out there in this industry.
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let's have a talk about super inflated torque numbers that we are seeing these days from dyno operators
LS1 VCM 710 Camshaft & CNC 241 HeadsLS1 VCM 710 Camshaft & CNC 241 Heads
LS1 VCM 710 Camshaft & CNC 241 Heads
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in this video we talk about the VCM 710 camshaft used in this LS1 manual Monaro, We also added a pair of Blackwell CNC cylinder heads and a VCM OTR
LSA BTR Stage 4 V2 camshaft & CNC HeadsLSA BTR Stage 4 V2 camshaft & CNC Heads
LSA BTR Stage 4 V2 camshaft & CNC Heads
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Holden GTSR LSA stage 5 package consisting of a Brian Tooley stage 4 V2 camshaft and Blackwell Racing CNC cylinder heads.
Lots of new products added to our shop and website come check them out.Lots of new products added to our shop and website come check them out.
Lots of new products added to our shop and website come check them out.
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come check out our latest products
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oil catch can kits to suite 4jj3 dmax bt50
HP tuners RTD remote tuning dongle Phone app version demonstration.HP tuners RTD remote tuning dongle Phone app version demonstration.
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HP tuners RTD remote tuning dongle PC version demonstration.HP tuners RTD remote tuning dongle PC version demonstration.
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in this video we give you a visual demonstration on how to use the HP tuners RTD dongle in the PC version.
Holley Mid Rise Manifold Test On a Camed LS1Holley Mid Rise Manifold Test On a Camed LS1
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in this video we talk about the advantages and disadvantages of the Holly mid-rise manifold on a stock bottom end LS1 with a crow cam 1288 camshaft
323KW Vortec V2 Supercharged LFX Holden Commodore323KW Vortec V2 Supercharged LFX Holden Commodore
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If you have a Mercedes-Benz veto van and you are looking for more performance than don't look any further, check out the results from a simple ECU remap.
Cam Motion Titan 3 LS Cam sound 227-237 113+3 Part Number 03-01-0018Cam Motion Titan 3 LS Cam sound 227-237 113+3 Part Number 03-01-0018
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stathi test out a new and exciting camshaft from camotion
Ford Falcon 5ltr Supercharger stage 2 upgradeFord Falcon 5ltr Supercharger stage 2 upgrade
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Cam Motion Titan 4 LS1 Cam Sound 227-232/113+4 Part Number 03-01-0013Cam Motion Titan 4 LS1 Cam Sound 227-232/113+4 Part Number 03-01-0013
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ls1 idle sound clip using a cam motion Titan 4 LS camshaft
im sorry But I need to get this off my chest. turbo boost controllerim sorry But I need to get this off my chest. turbo boost controller
im sorry But I need to get this off my chest. turbo boost controller
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in this video we talk about the stupid things that workshops and tuners do that drives me mad

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @armantasSK
    @armantasSK 20 годин тому

    Shouldnt it have 295 kw stock?

  • @stevenkirk2563
    @stevenkirk2563 2 дні тому

    Rwkw are a little high with a baby 1900 blower? 2600 blowers don’t make those numbers.

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 2 дні тому

      Will agree to disagree 👍 A 1900 is absolutely capable of making those sort of numbers when everything around it is set up right.

  • @Echelonperformance
    @Echelonperformance 2 дні тому

    Do you need to cut and weld a new flange? Currently running twin hyper gate 45mm. They only make straight gate 50 & 40s will either fit that 45mm flange?

  • @james10739
    @james10739 3 дні тому

    Non of these numbers mean much to me but i guess your dyno only gives you horsepower or watts but really engines make torque and horsepower is calculated

  • @RhysK94
    @RhysK94 3 дні тому

    Great video! Recently new to owning a dyno, I have always done the ratio to wheel speed method. Converter slip never crossed my mind! This is now changing how I'm going to go about it! (Before people jump through my throat I use the rpm tracking so when analysing the dyno logs I can correlate it to the ecu datalog to make adjustments, but for future dyno sheets I will change that so there is a correct torque readout!)

  • @barje.waffles5461
    @barje.waffles5461 3 дні тому

    The thing I appreciate the most about this response to a problem is that you have not defined it as conspiracy. Generally, stuff like this always stems from ignorance. I feel like this is a good response because you have recognised that it is ignorance (in general) with less people doing it on purpose to deceive.

  • @vincentpoiron9558
    @vincentpoiron9558 3 дні тому

    Dyno In no particular order 1. Sales tool 2. Tuning tool 3. Measuring tool

  • @MelodyMan69
    @MelodyMan69 3 дні тому

    Those numbers look funny. 3000 RPM at 100 km/hr..? My V6 (3.6L) ticks over at 1850 RPM @ 100 km/hr. Am I missing something here.

    • @caillangojak8540
      @caillangojak8540 3 дні тому

      It's in 4th gear if manual or auto will be in 3rd. Usually pull is done at 1:1 gearbox output

    • @MelodyMan69
      @MelodyMan69 3 дні тому

      @@caillangojak8540 Thanks. Yes that makes sense.. 🏁

  • @bigal878
    @bigal878 3 дні тому

    Great video 👍

  • @Reptilianoverlord-jc8mt
    @Reptilianoverlord-jc8mt 3 дні тому

    When it comes to Dynos Americas different. I look at honda Type Rs FL5 being tuned with 280 kw at FW with 93 tune and the ones in AU 230KW at the wheels on 98 tune. Either it’s way too conservative tune with full bolt ons or it’s something else. 230-40 is crap when the Puerto Ricans are pushing 640+ HP at the wheels on stock internals. 🤔

  • @bruizey7319
    @bruizey7319 3 дні тому

    Dynos were never meant to give real world power / torque numbers. They are a tuning tool - you can only compare before and after numbers on the same day to measure changes to the vehicle.

  • @mickjackson4140
    @mickjackson4140 4 дні тому

    Can you please do a video on Compression ratio,s We see all these videos on exhaust systems & camshaft & cylinder head upgrades But no Compression quoted .

  • @YUQVS
    @YUQVS 4 дні тому

    Great vid makes alot sence now after seeing a ross review vid a few days ago with an ls1 stato making in the mid to 300 kw range but 1100 nm souds like a good shop to stay away from

  • @Freeloader.
    @Freeloader. 4 дні тому

    did you really start with "Let's have the conversation"? when "Let's torque about it" was right there?

  • @coreyw427
    @coreyw427 4 дні тому

    It’s a lot easier if you think about power, torque and rotational speed in standard (SI) units. These are watts, nm and radians/second. Using these units, power = torque x rotational speed. So the dyno works by measuring torque at the wheel (or hub if hub dyno). It also knows the speed the dyno is rotating. Multiplying these together gives the power at the dyno. Now, to get engine torque, you have to divide the dyno power by the engine speed. The engine torque is not the same as dyno torque as the engine torque is multiplied by the transmission, diff and tyres. However, this engine torque number is not correct because there is drivetrain loss due to friction in the drivetrain.

  • @wildyzf
    @wildyzf 4 дні тому

    Hello @mpwperformance

  • @kingkire1556
    @kingkire1556 4 дні тому

    Great knowledge given here for free. Much respect.

  • @VT97Calais
    @VT97Calais 4 дні тому

    Very informative and honest no bullshit about the facts 👏🏻

  • @justinfargas2367
    @justinfargas2367 4 дні тому

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @Garage4age
    @Garage4age 4 дні тому

    Also remember the torque numbers shown (if calculated correct) will be engine torque minus the driveline loss. Since they are being calculated from power at wheels and engine rpm. It isn't engine torque or torque at wheels.

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 4 дні тому

      Dyno dynamics give you the option to show engine or wheel torque and we always show wheel,that is the most accurate for obvious reasons.

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 4 дні тому

      Sorry mate I read that with my eyes closed ignore My response

    • @Garage4age
      @Garage4age 4 дні тому

      @@IndependentMotorsports all good! wasn't having a go or anything just adding to what you said, nice video. I get called out on the torque numbers on my channel all the time, as my dyno shows the torque numbers that the dyno sees, which are obviously way higher than what people are expecting. Its an older setup, that doesn't have any of the engine rpm math

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 4 дні тому

      ​@@Garage4age All good mate what dyno do you have?

    • @Garage4age
      @Garage4age 4 дні тому

      @@IndependentMotorsports Its an old vane dyno (now mainline) running dynotorque control. A lot of the old vane dyno's here in NZ were upgraded to their control in early 2000's, mine was one of the last ones they done around 2015 ish. Pretty sure nz would be the only place you would find them

  • @reginaldvalentine3185
    @reginaldvalentine3185 4 дні тому

    Doesn't an induction clamp produce a pulse every two crankshaft rotations?

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 4 дні тому

      All depends on your ignition setup, The Dyno gives you a configurations setup to adjust for this. Calibrate your tools so they work correctly that's the moral of the story.

  • @steveallen1340
    @steveallen1340 4 дні тому

    If you’re going much over 100nm per litre naturally aspirated you are probably measuring it wrong.

  • @ChrisHolden-rv2fh
    @ChrisHolden-rv2fh 4 дні тому

    Hey man, do you boys work on 3.8 holdens at all? thanks

  • @bencarruth436
    @bencarruth436 5 днів тому

    Correct me if I'm wrong but a dyno measures torque and horsepower is calculated based on torque at a certain rpm. The dyno doesn't measure horsepower and then calculate torque based off that.

    • @Garage4age
      @Garage4age 4 дні тому

      Hub or roller dyno's measure torque a the hubs/wheels with load cell and inertia. remember it gets multiplied by the gear ratios of your gearbox, diff, tyres, The dyno uses this measured torque and the rpm of the dyno (not engine) to calculate the power at wheels / hubs. To get the torque as explained on this video, the power numbers need to be calculated by engine rpm. Which at the end of the day isn't really a useful number either. As you are using wheel power and engine speed to measure torque. so the torque number is actually torque at the engine minus drive line loss. The original number measured by the dyno is actually torque at the wheels, thats hitting the pavement. Its obviously different in every gear and different again in an auto with converter. Moral of the story unless its an engine dyno. just look at the hp numbers and the torque curve not the torque numbers

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 4 дні тому

      To dumb it down it's a tuning tool nothing more than that, As long as the numbers keep going up and you work from your baseline you're making progress. Engine dyno is king for actual figures and MPH Is the most accurate when backwards calculating. You should always compare apples with apples to save all the confusion

    • @serioussam6339
      @serioussam6339 3 дні тому

      Yes mate. That's correct. Engines generate mechanical torque, not power. Torque over time (RPM is time) equals indicated power. If you want more power, than the engine needs to be able to generate more torque. Don't know why he explained it the way he did. Completely backwards. But you can calculate either figure (power, torque) once you have one of them. Although breath of fresh air too finally see someone else pointing out the ludicrous torque figures people claiming. Little funny if you go back to watch old videos, how drastic cam specs have changed over the years regarding LSA. They're getting tighter. Especially after asking years ago about running a tighter LSA and basically told "na wrong" Guess he's consistently backwards.

    • @Garage4age
      @Garage4age 2 дні тому

      @@serioussam6339 Its explained how a dyno works, rather than an engine. A dyno has no idea how much torque an engine makes, when you are measuring at the wheels or hubs. But it does know the torque at the wheels and the rpm at wheels. Which equals power at wheels.

  • @jacksonwelch9870
    @jacksonwelch9870 5 днів тому

    I worked at a workshop where the dyno operator couldn’t even understand lambda 😂 He told the customer to change the gauge to a normal AFR reading before he’d be willing to tune it, now I can understand wanting a gauge that reads 14.7/1 as stoich because it’s what you’re comfortable with but that sent alarm bells off for me so given that experience it doesn’t surprise me this sort of thing happens and it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of shops are doing this none the wiser and just thinking it’s not making much of a difference

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 4 дні тому

      Lambda is the only ratio we use, I'm amazed at how many people don't understand it and it's the most important number, It all comes down to the base mathematics everyone seems to complicate things.

  • @mickjackson4140
    @mickjackson4140 5 днів тому

    Love your honestly Unfortunately a lot of other dyno operators are only interested in ripping people off $$$.

  • @anthonywhelan8373
    @anthonywhelan8373 5 днів тому

    With high rpm you will make good Tourque if it’s a turbocharged straight six like a 2jz with 30 psi plus getting shoved into it Eg my dragster does a 1.14sec 60 ft that’s equivalent to 0-100kph in 1 sec and 3.5g That’s letting the trans brake go at 5500rpm and the thing revs to 9200rpm

  • @plasticbag11
    @plasticbag11 5 днів тому

    Do you just use factory pushrods with these cams?

  • @ACCELGarage
    @ACCELGarage 5 днів тому

    🙏

  • @gazza101
    @gazza101 5 днів тому

    Well explained 👏

  • @Tattooharlz
    @Tattooharlz 5 днів тому

    This actually makes a lot of sense since I had a few dyno runs and noticed my ssv with l98 make 470hp and 540nm does that sound legit cause now I’m worried I got stitched with dodgy tuners 😅swear it made more nm almost stovk with a baby cam then going to a vcm 883 😵‍💫 I like this guy he sounds like someone I’d be happy to take my car too 💯

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 5 днів тому

      You will probably find that your smaller cam did actual make more torque than the bigger cam as that is something I would expect to see, more horsepower you make in the higher RPM range the lower the torque. Bigger does not necessarily mean it's going to be better, most people question why we recommend the smaller cams as opposed to the bigger cams and this is the reason

    • @Tattooharlz
      @Tattooharlz 5 днів тому

      @@IndependentMotorsportsdefinitely correct there I was told the cam I chose was too big should have went a crow cam and not a vcm not the best cams going especially only making 5hp more with the e85 not a great combo 😑good Info for the next time round

    • @IndependentMotorsports
      @IndependentMotorsports 5 днів тому

      ​@@Tattooharlz nothing wrong with the VCM range, its all about the correct combination. Every time a car turns up at our workshop with the boot full of parts that the customer has hand selected always turns into a disaster build. This is why we like to select All the parts so the combination works.

  • @tonkaspares
    @tonkaspares 5 днів тому

    Well explained , you’ll definitely upset all the dyno sheet owners and a few shops , track doesn’t lie

  • @7071t6
    @7071t6 5 днів тому

    wow billet crank, Fast manifold, ported heads by Higgins, customised cam, full tunned try y headers and free flowing exhaust and free flowing cats and race fuel, engine revining to NA at 8,000 rpm, sure you can get around the 350Kw with about 600 nm of torque, its about what cam your using and crank and as they say a engine is just a air pump so the more efficient and better flowing that air pump is working the more power with the right fuel, your going to make big power compared to a stock ls1, Ls2 6lt and so on? People for get your not going to make power unless you spend a lot of money with hi end internal components and blue printing everything that moves in that engine? cheers 👌✌👍😎🦘 Also what's that old saying nothing beats big blocks right no substitute for cubic inches right? so you can have a ls platform but its stroked out to a 416 or 408 right?

  • @7071t6
    @7071t6 5 днів тому

    The most important Dyno numbers is when its in SAE Specs number, meaning its based on controlled temperatures outside and relative humidity which should be 0%, and thats not going to happen, unless you can control the outside temp and humidity as well do that and then do a dyno, which will give you a correct hp figure, or in other words The most common are the SAE standards. The older J607 standard considers that the engine was run on a 60°F day with 0% humidity and a barometric pressure of 29.92 in-Hg or the newer SAE J1349 standard of 77°F (25°C) day with 0% humidity and a barometric pressure of 29.234 in-Hg (99 KPa). cheers 👌✌👍😎🦘🦘 Do that and you have the same dynos used by OEM engine boulders who present the engine hp figure for the various cars they make. Which costs millions of dollars to get and then maintained as well, also almost all tuners have a dyno to do tests and tune engines, but without knowing what the engine will do at various outside temps and weather conditions they will always tune it to be in a safe mode unless its a drag engine which in that case, a lot of the parameters are not used other than safe settings to shut of the engine to save it? 👍👍😎😎

  • @kylej489
    @kylej489 5 днів тому

    More people need to hear/understand this!! Great video 👌🏻

  • @Mosesk1988
    @Mosesk1988 5 днів тому

    Run your car, not your mouth fixes all the shit talkers 😂.

  • @Mosesk1988
    @Mosesk1988 5 днів тому

    I agree! Makes 500hp, runs 12s at 113mph😂😂😂. Dyno is a tuning tool. Had a bloke say aww low numbers to my ls1 at 380rwhp but it run 11.69 116mph. His made 500hp and run 12.6s at 113mph 😂😂.

  • @Low760
    @Low760 5 днів тому

    100% on the strip being the real guage of hp. I ask for drag times and mph from overseas high hp numbers and get smart comments about gear ratios etc on why they don't go

  • @jamestoby2552
    @jamestoby2552 5 днів тому

    Interesting video. I think most people seem to only pay attention to power (RWKW / RWHP) still, ignoring torque figures. Im most intersted in torque myself. However, I try not to compare dyno sheets between shops, too many variables, and dyno results are too easily distorted as you speak about. The shop i use has a notoriously low reading dyno in comparison to other shops, so online everyone will tell you its weak sauce, but the strip showed it not to be the case :)

  • @joshuajardine2124
    @joshuajardine2124 5 днів тому

    Very informative thank you mate good work

  • @dimitriosmastoropoulos
    @dimitriosmastoropoulos 5 днів тому

    Great Video Stathi 👌👍

  • @marktiltins8845
    @marktiltins8845 5 днів тому

    What about my LS1 With a Harrop HTV 2300 453 kw 993 nm dose that sound right built by Sam's Performance and yes with a Magnum F

    • @anthonywhelan8373
      @anthonywhelan8373 5 днів тому

      Probably wouldn’t be to far off anything forced induction makes good Tourque numbers If you had two cars same engine and same peak power But one was na and one forced induction The forced induction will always accelerate faster due to the higher torque numbers And torque is what moves things not power as power is simply a calculation of torque times rpm

  • @phillperry487
    @phillperry487 5 днів тому

    Excellent vid Stathi

  • @phillperry487
    @phillperry487 5 днів тому

    Queue the LS1 guy with 1000nm of torque in 3, 2, 1..........

  • @nick_captain_slow
    @nick_captain_slow 5 днів тому

    Spot on. I know nothing about dynos but timeslips and knowing the weight of the vehicle and doing the math = most accurate figures.

  • @Bootsos90
    @Bootsos90 5 днів тому

    This is all too common

  • @Justls1v8parts
    @Justls1v8parts 5 днів тому

    Awesome Thank-you great video

  • @michaelleonard4020
    @michaelleonard4020 5 днів тому

    Great story and so true

  • @jjjjjj9284
    @jjjjjj9284 5 днів тому

    Gd work/video mate 👌, Yep they definitely run filthy filthy rich When you fit a O.T.R to them from idle to W.O.T and everywhere in between , Big thumbs up for your videos 👍

  • @Jerry_gold
    @Jerry_gold 9 днів тому

    My old ls1 got 300rwkw with 690nm it pulled hard but after going in a cammed lsa fuck me totally different story